July 15, 2025

Member Newsletter: Turning Expert Mode Off

by Melanie Bell
reviewed by Jonathan Hancock
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Matt Bungay, Head of Apprenticeships at City St George's, University of London

Turning Expert Mode Off

Matt Bungay on the transition from specialist to leader

Interview by Melanie Bell, Mindtools Content Writer and Editor

Matt Bungay worked as a head chef before moving into education and training, and is now Head of Apprenticeships at a leading London university.

Mindtools content editor and writer Melanie Bell spoke to Matt about the challenges of moving from expert practitioner to senior leader.

First, can you tell me a little bit about yourself and your background?

I started out as a classically trained French chef, but now I’m the Head of Apprenticeships for City St George's, University of London. I created the Apprenticeship Hub, which feeds all the schools across the university. I’ve been here for four years, but have delivered leadership and management courses since 2012, from team leading at Level 3 all the way up to now being involved in the delivery and curriculum design for Senior Leader Level 7 apprenticeships, and also the Executive Master’s in Leadership.

You made a video for Mindtools about experts stepping into leadership roles. Could you expand on that here – and talk about the challenges you’re likely to face if you’re making that transition, from individual specialist to team leader?

I think the biggest challenge is learning to delegate. You have to take a step back and understand that you're now in a leadership role. You've got people around you, and you have to become a team worker.

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